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0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
fob2010 {{so how is this oppressing women (the 4 witnesses /adultery thing)!!!}}
i never said its any oppressing! am saying its NON_SENSE!
but u will try to defend everything... struggle justify and strive to rationalize every non_sense..
u will justify beheading of the one born to a muslim family who rejects islam.. (how can that be!!)
u will rationalize getting married to a 6 year old girl (i apologize for those who were taught its 9years) .. u know booobs grow faster when exposed to a sandy terrain of deserts..
u can't think outside the box u were boxed in.... coz thats wat u have been blindly believing.. u were born in this.. u were meant to be enslaved by these chains by the almighty imaginary ghost.. without u even realizing that you have been hypnotized.. they started shouting out loud the divine message into ur ears right when u had hardly lost ur belly button.. it takes a lot of thinking and reasoning and above all a lot of courage to break these chains and fly free of this plague.. i feel sorry for you.. i wish u keep ur door or atleast that little window down there.. open for the wind of wisdom to blow and the rays of reason to peep in.. else u will die in the same darkn as u were born in.
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
f_m_g : rite! dats it! i was trying to explain it...no brain is left for me with step3+workin+stress of match! also, i was thinking he shud already knew those facts, yet is tryin to justify wht and how! those explanations are so shallow and baseless. we r not kids to take em! think think think! be realistic and a lit bit fair! Dats insult ... to ppl™s intelligent! Sorry if it is a bitter truth.
and yes, thanks fob for step3 explan....dats all we need for sure!
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
f_m_g
"i feel sorry for you" no need mate
i'm all about 'thinking outside the box', intellect, rationalizing, science. but still i respect that i am a human being and God is my creator. there is a spiritual aspect to man which we cannot negate. u have that spiritual aspect too, but currently its suppressed, it looks as though it will only come out in a time of difficulty (God forbid, i don't wish u any difficulty). i was once on a flight, and we went through very very severe turbulence (it was more like a hurricane). i fly alot, and most flights, there is some sort of turbulence ranging from mild to severe, but that time was absolutely crazy. it only lasted for a few minutes, but during those few minutes, people were not rationalizing, and thinking of einstein and newton's theories, people were no longer laughing and joking, and being arrogant. it was a time when even the most stubborn atheist would have asked: what if there is a God, what if there is an afterlife..... just what if??? similar to cat stevens/yusuf islam, the way he accepted islam (and i'm not telling u to accept islam or any religion, just to think, 'what if'). he was swimming in the sea and was pulled out by the tides deep into the sea, and was nearly drowning, when all of a sudden he was miraculously pulled back to shore by a wave.
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
just 1 question + this is a sincere question (i'm not making fun): how can u not believe in an afterlife??? if i believed that this life was the only life, i would be really depressed. because everybody has problems (work, studying, marriage, family, money, poverty, illness, loss of loved one......) and u look around and see 100x's more problems in society and in the world. u have people in africa with no leaves to eat. now i feel upset about all this, but in the end i know that this life is only a test. i know that all the injustice in this world (and there's plenty of that) will be resolved in the next life. people who oppressed, murdered, raped, tortured in this life, and got away with it, will be punished. i know that if i'm terminally ill/diagnosed with cancer (God forbid), its not the end. i know that if i fail in my work, its not the end. i know if i lose everyone i've ever loved, its not the end.
SO MY Q: WHAT KEEPS U GUYS GOIN???
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
fob2010
believe me if am making up an inch here... i had a near death experience some 15 years back... and i didn't have that slightest of feelings like the one u talking about.... all i remember is that i was trying to feel my legs to make sure i haven't lost my spine and then just wondering helplessly "IS THATS IT?" before being knocked out.. unconscious due to extensive bleeding.
its how u perceive reality.... but believing in a divine force that controls every nut and bolt is not indispensable for mankind to prosper.... the burden of proof /evidence lies not on those who wont just take ur words for accepting the imaginary sprout of wisdom and knowledge you tell them about... there is a fine line between KNOWLEDGE and BELIEF... but not fine enough to confuse them.. for KNOWLEDGE has all the unbiased evidence and irrefutable proof behind it... while BELIEF is just blind! u just know u r right! so u need to fight! while i don't need to fight to prove am right! "its better to perceive the universe as it appears rather than indulging in alluded delusions, however satisfying and reassuring"
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
n wat keeps me going and wat stops me from raping and stealing is bigger than being afraid of the snakes n lizards n scorpions in the never ending hell.... its doing goodness just for goodness sake! its love and affection for mankind! its struggle for peace to prevail.....
and i and those like me wont sit on the chair labelled 'compromise' when we would see injustice.. we wont justify injustice in this world by rationalizing it with the fact that there will be compensation in the after life.. if u do, why don't u spray them with sarin in africa.. so they can quickly land into the afterlife they are basically designed for!!!!! watching and experiencing events like these strengthens the stance i have about existence..
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
your sarcasm makes me laugh.
what i mean is whether u like it or not there will be suffering, injustice, poverty and hunger (i have done some volunteer work, to help with this, but the reality is that it's a problem). whether u like it or not, for 1000's of years women have been raped, and there rapists were not brought to justice. whether u like it or not, 1000's of people die of starvation in africa every day. whether u like it or not 100's of people are murdered every day in the 'developed' countries by criminals/drug-addicts. and whether u like it or not, me u and everyone else will always have problems in our life (illness, loss of job, loss of loved one, work stress, family problems...............) so yes i will try and solve these problems but in reality, most of them will not be solved (i can't bring back a loved person from death, i can't do much if i'm terminally ill, i can't do much if my country's in recession and i'm unemployed, i can't bring back all the innocent people who have been murdered... i hope u understand what i'm talkin about. so my question was not what prevents u from doing evil, or drives u to do good, it's what helps u deal with all the crap in life, knowing that in a few years (maybe 10, 20, 30.... lets say 70 years) u will die and thats it. so this life is all u have to enjoy.
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
one final thing, lets be rational: if what your saying is true (no God, no afterlife), i wouldn't have lost much. i'm enjoying everything in my life currently and hope to be a successful doctor, and establish a decent family. any problems or hardships i have, i get through them because i believe in these 'delusions' (as u would put it).
but if what i'm saying is true, u r gonna be in deep trouble in the next life.
so lets pretend there's a 50% chance of either one of us being correct, to me i'm in a win-win situation cuz either way i'm happy. but as for u..............................................
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
hey FMG this is islam doing goodness for goodness sake... no matter what you call it you are Muslim. You did your homework, Do goodness for the sake of goodness, goodness in any religion is God,,, religion came to teach you that, if you are already in it you are good man. Believe me if you do that it means you are mature enough. All these prayers and rituals in a religion are to make you a good man. If you do 5 times prayers and still don't grow out of yourself and become selfless you are not Muslim, it is that simple.
0 - ArchivalUser - 12-25-2009
fob: one last thing from me too....we are constantly distracting ppl here, which is not fair! i hope they dont come here to waste ther time like us!
u say:
...".....so lets pretend there's a 50% chance of either one of us being correct, to me i'm in a win-win situation cuz either way i'm happy. but as for u.............................................."
and do u really feel good about it? i think God/beliefs shud be personal and sincere.....i cant love my mother because she gives me candy? or my daddy coz he gives me money!!!
is this the way we shoud love and worship God sincerely?
c how shallow is this?
where is ur or my sincerity if i follow wht u say?
however, lets go back to step3!