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0 - ArchivalUser - 11-20-2007


REJECTIONS SO FAR

Abington,PA
Akron General Medical Center
Banner Good Samaritan
Bassett Health Care NY
Baylor University Medical Center
Brookyln hospital
Bronx Lebanon
Carolina Medica Center
Case medical ohio
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center NH
Drexel pa El Paso Program, Texas
East tenneessee univ
Emory Univ
Geisinger general surgery
Henry Ford, Detroit, MI,
Harlem Hospital NY
Huron Hospital, Ohio
Indiana university
Innova fairfox
Jacson memorial ,Florida
Lahey clinic
Leigh Valley, PA
Loyola IL
LSU Shreveport
MacGaw Medical Center
Maine Univ
Marshfield clinic , Wisconsin
Massachussetts General Hospital
Mayo rochester
Michigan state University
Medical college of Georgia
Medical college of wisconsin
Medical Univ of South Carolina
Memorial hospital savannah georgia
Mercer Medical University
Methodist Hospital Texas
MGM ohio
Mount Sinai Baltimore CT
Mount sinai NY
MYMC soundshore
NYPH Weill-Cornell
New York Methodist Hospital
New York Presbyterian Hospital, Columbia campus
Northwestern University
Ohio univ
Oregon Health and Science University
Povidence MI
Rush Univ Chicago
Spartanburg
St Agnes Maryland
St John Hospital and Medical center stony brooks
St Louis University MO
St Luke PA
Stoony brooks NY
SUNY upstate medical
Temple, Univ
Texas A&M Scott and White
Union Memorial Hospital MA
Univ of arkansas
Univ of chicago
UNC chapel hill NC
Univ of Hawaii
Univ of Maryland,
Univ of Missisippi
Univ Missouri, Kansas
Univ Nebraska
Univ of New Mexico
Univ of Oklahoma
Univ South Alabama
Univ of tenneessee chattanoga
Univ of Tennessee knoxville
Univ Tennessee memphis
U Texas
UTGSM
UTMB Galveston
Univ of Toledo
Univ of utah
Univ of virginia charlestottle
Univ of Virginia health System
University of Wisconsin-Madison General Surgery
Wake forest
Washington U at St Louis
Western Reserve Care system/NEOUCOM program
West Virginia
Yale

Kindly add if there are more


0 - ArchivalUser - 11-20-2007

Interview so far

St. Joseph Mercy Oakland in Pontiac, MI
Stamford Hospital in CT
Bronx Lebanon in New York
Maimonides
Jewish Hospital of Cincinnati, OH
St. Elizabeth Health Center in Youngstown, OH
Western Care Reserve in Youngstown, OH
Pinnacle, Harrisburgh PA
St Agnes - Baltimore MD
Huron Hospital - Ohio
University of Buffalo
Guthrie PA - 10/08
Albany Medical Center - October 9th
Mayo Clinic (Rochester, MN)
MGH, Chicago
John Hopkins
Drexel University College of Medicine
University of Missouri, Kansas City
U Toledo by ERAS email 10/19
NYMC Our Lady of Mercy Medical Center
pennstate
medical college of georgia
cleveland clinic ohio
jackson florida
harlem hospital
UTMB galveston
northshore long island
UAMS
brookyln
brookyln queens
albert einstein montefiore
providence mi
NYMC brookyln queens
beth israel NY
Univ of kentucky
USF tampa
UTHSU San Antonio
St Louis University St Louis
St.Francis, Trenton NJ
Univ of Pennsylvania

kindly add if there are more


0 - ArchivalUser - 11-20-2007

got rejection from indiana guys
only 2 Ivs so far,1 preliminary and 1 categorical


0 - ArchivalUser - 11-20-2007

hello every body,it seems i missd a lot of valuble informations throught the past 2 days,i need to ask you guys and especially Mahabart ,would the advice to not try for prelim surgery been applied only for those who have a viza issue or does it include also with GC like myself,please guys share your opnions and wish you the best with this batteling for survival.


0 - ArchivalUser - 11-20-2007

iam sorry but let me repeat this part of Mahabart message( If you get a categorical position that's fine, but if you get prelim position then always prefer a categorical position in other specialties.)so can you guys please clarify this phrase more,and would it been applied to green card holders?



0 - ArchivalUser - 11-20-2007

bidd
i asked them both about that caz i am in the same situation
so i will like to hear the explaination of that as well


0 - ArchivalUser - 11-20-2007

Man sorry for the delay . I was in trauma whole day, now had a chance to check my emails etc

Ok bidd and life_saver00, I am sure Mahabart will agree with me, Here it goes, in order of preference for surgery categorical positions , visa or no visa issue:

1 AMG
2 AMG
3 AMG

4 IMGS WITH MRCS/FRCS/ EXP OF WHAT WE CANT ACHIEVE IN A PRELIM YR ( for eg 1000 or so surgeries in their hands).

5 US CITIZEN/GREEN CARD WITH CARIBIEAN DEGREE /FRESH OR OLD GRADUATES

6 IMGS WITH 2 OR MORE YRS OF PRELIM/RESEARCH IN SURGERY, SOMETIMES EVEN THIS IS RISKY , NEEDS A HELL OF CONNECTIONS

7 IMGS, WITH FEW OR ONE YR USCE EXP /CURRENTLY SURGERY PGY I

BUT this all can all be reversed if you have strong luck, extremely great connection with the creator. Which I believe I didnt.

Bottom line is If you all have a chance to get into a categorical position surgery or anyother speciality grap it no matter where, what type of hospital but other wise think hundred times (not by your heart) before you make a decision to enter into prelim surgery. At the end of the day after all the efforts, you might even not be tired , will is there and even more strong but but there is no path to find or follow!!!!

Hope guys you are not discouraged with all this experience , but reality bites!!!!!!!

Good luck to all.



0 - ArchivalUser - 11-21-2007

Good morning surgery aspirants,

sorry for the late reply guys, i cannot agree more with MD03, he has given you the best picture of the current situation. IMGs are in the bottom block of this pyramid, although ACS has terminated pyramidal system, but i tell you pyramidal system was much better for IMGs because even the AMGs had to work hard to keep there position. Many physicians from my medical school made it to surgery in US in 90s decade because they just proved there selves better then AMGs in the same program.

Now the situation is no body fires an AMG because that leaves a very bad impression to the program. Even in my program, even after 5 months in training at least 2 of categorical AMGs dont know how to tie surgical knots but they will ultimately survive because they have alot of time to improve. Without any doubt i have seen the best of AMGs in surgery, very dynamic, hardworking and intelligent but thats 60 - 70 % of the stack and certainly not 100 %.

If you dont mind doing any other specialty then dont come to surgery as a prelim, but if surgery is your heart and soul and you would take all the risks in the world of it then its your call.

People who have to support families and have children should never accept prelim, because bachelors like me can go anywhere, do anything but with family its difficult.

Visa and immigration and research all SUCKSSSSSSSS ... only thing that works in surgery is surgical experience.

GL


0 - ArchivalUser - 11-21-2007

one more thing .... ppl say that do prelim on H1 ....

its entirely wrong, if you do prelim on H1 then you actually have 6 years for the whole training and you can do only 1 year as a prelim, but on J1 you can atleast do 2 years of prelim and you chances will be better to make it to categorical after 2 years.


0 - ArchivalUser - 11-21-2007

Received Rejection few mins ago: New York University School of Medicine