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UK vs USA - pth - ArchivalUser - 07-12-2008
Why USA job is consider better compared to UK foundation job??
UK doctor get more pay compared to USA residency pay.
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-12-2008
UK: good for internal med
USA: good for surgical stuff, neuro stuff, subspecialties
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-12-2008
USA-good for every medical specialty
UK-good for racism
Out of the top 10 medical institutes in the world.....8 r in the USA.........Most number of nobel prize winners r from the US in medicine.....Only good thing UK is good is its universal health policy but that has made the doctors not that academic.............
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-12-2008
Hey dont compare UK with USA
UK is a small Island - just 5 hours drive from top to bottom - still it is suppose to contain 4 countries with in it..... A family of ancient king and queen and their clans - with people in it living in 2008 but still accepting their superiority over others and talking ill about others in the world including the poor africans now.....
USA is the mecca of medicine - for everything.... my dream place....
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-12-2008
u rock right_doc.............America is the land of opportunity........if ur good enough u can get into harvard or even hopkins............not on ur race etc
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-12-2008
Infact my friends are in Harvard and in Hopkins - both of them were born elsewhere....
America is America - no comparision please
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-12-2008
THanks guy for ur info
I wanted to know job comparison not country comparisons
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-13-2008
hi pth,
not sure whether you are in uk or us,
job in uk is more of a clerical job, for example: as a doctor you are supposed to take blood from patients (everyday), sometimes you have to take the samples to lab personally, take x-ray request forms etc to concerned departments yourself, and things like that, (all back breaking work)
i think this is what it is at junior level, more of a clerical job,
at registrar level: out of 7 or 8 cardiothoracic registrars in our departments only one is allowed to operate skin to skin, few of them will be finishing their training in couple of years time and they are expected to operate!!
i dont have personal experience in us, but what i have heard is there is proper training, not much of clerical work, you will be running your own clinics etc, and few of my friends who had worked in uk have got into residency in us, and they are very happy about the training,
tats all i can say
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-13-2008
Dear friends - sorry for using this forum for these sort of discussions. This forum is meant only for USMLE and I do sincerely realise this. Just felt like writing all these for the gentleman Dr PTH. If you are bored of my words - ignore this but please dont curse me....
Dear PTH
I know well that you really wanted to know abt the differences. The reason for a very irritated reply from us - is because we have had enough of it here.
I feel its crystal clear to all of us is UK is no where near comparision. Probably you can compare UK to Australia / Canada / Asian countries - but not to US. You could even compare NHS health care with other government sponsored health care like in India or other developing countries. Atleast these guys have lots of money to invest in health care now - but not UK. UK lives on tax payers money more than any other country.
Tax for middle income group - including trainee doctors is 40%, VAT 17.5%, Road tax for an average car i own is £400 i.e. $800 per year, and so on and on...... with the recent troubles - the only place they could go back for help again is the tax payers - they keep working on it always - how to increase tax money.....
How is this related to health care and training for doctors? Where there is no money - there is no optimum health care....
Few salient points about NHS care:
1. They go for anything which is cheaper - if nurses are cheaper, NHS prefers them over doctors - it is rampant. If some antibiotic is cheaper - they prefer that over better ones. Similar is everything.
2. There are nurses nurses and nurses every where..... looks even like doctors are being phased out in many places. Many GP clinics are run by nurses and specialist clinics are run by nurses - even ITU opinion are given my nurses..... Holy shit ! but its ture here in England and other parts of UK.
3. Training for doctors - complete shambles - horrible selection criteria. Heard of Boots? the person who was helping them to recruit personnel was helping NHS to recruit doctors - at all stages - even for subconsultant appointments. She didn't have any health back ground - other than have seen medications kept in Boots stores shelf.
4. If you eventually get trained - going thru thousands of impediments, humiliation - you have no job guarantee. even if you get one - you are not the boss - like in many other countries - you are told what list to run - when to run - how much to run - and when to stop.
F***ing shit!!!!
I didnt want to be a doctor to go thru this shit.... Hell with this country.... Hell with this system.....
Hope this answers your queries....
sorry for the long mail.
0 - ArchivalUser - 07-13-2008
great post right_doc!
Good luck to you and everyone else going for a US residency. We'll make it!