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pre match- in answer to Chets -
#1
duckie

i dont believe its official, and i dont think its the most ethical of things.

in some institutions they are doing it openly, and offering pre matches openly still, in others they secretly ask a candidate if they want to go for a prematch at the end of the interview.
I was offered pre matches too, but I never took any up. I dont like the idea.....and i dont support it.
I feel that one gets the wrong impression about the number of seats available for the match- i mean if a program has 11 seats, and 6 people have already pre matched, you have no way of knowing....and your chances of matching there are slimmer (if you are not one of those candidates offered a pre match). I even went to the extent of asking a couple of Program Directors how many seats they were going to give up in the pre match--- a couple of PDs went pale! One said " i am not gonna offer you one- i said " i dont want one".....and others offered me pre match without me asking or even referring to the topic.
One Pro Director told me why he fills half his seats every year with a pre match  (by the way , only FMGs are offered prematched- US grads are not. Its not allowed for them..... and they are pretty bitter about it if they have to compete with FMGs)---- he said that he has mostly FMGs , and with their visa processing, SSN processing etc, all these things- its nearly inevitable that they join late, and he needds at least half the team there on time ready to work at the beginning of the session.....
He's not wrong either, but i just chose to take my chances with the match.....
an American grad told me that if anyone talked about a prematch to a candidate, they could be liable to some sort of punishment by the NRMP. I was surprised, cos i heard nearly all FMGs talking about it freely, and as i said, i had open discussions with certain PDs on the topic.
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#2
Sami

I agree with you about what you said but the only thing I wanted to mention is taht US grads also get prematch and I know one of my friends got it last year.
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#3
duckie

really? ! thats an eye opener!
I dunno, see chets, whatever i state is my personal experience.... so i told you what an American grad told me- she said that they arent allowed to take up pre- matches, and she was pretty peeved at that, so i took her word for real....
I am not really sure what the actual "rules " are....i know that you have to withdraw from the match immediately....blah blah, but even f it has been banned, i dont think its really being followed- at least not during my interview season!!
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#4
jil

the residency may start earlier for the "prematched"?Or it`s still july for everybody?
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#5
duckie

its july for everyone, just that the prematched dont have to go to any more interviews, they withdraw from the match, and they dont need to et all worked up and hyperventilate on match day cos they already have matched!!
also, they can get their paperwork - visas etc in order earlier and be ready to start before other FMGs.....the latter are very often late to join....
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#6
duckie

yeah sami, actually not offering a US grad a pre match doesnt really make any sense.....
anyways, I just stated what I had heard....

I met a Pakistani guy on the interview (the place where i eventually matched) who had openly asked fora pre match, and i think he might have got it, though he wasnt really willing to say so openly. One never can tell.....
And a US grad was sitting with us- she said" if anyone were to find out that a certain program is offering pre matches, they could be pulled up- I dont think its legal"
But come to think of it, you know, I think the NRMP has mentioned that if you do take up a pre match just make sure you withdraw from thematch, and dont go for any more niterviews etc- something like that has been implied
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#7
Chets

Thanks Duckie - that helps - really seems to be a big loop-hole there.maybe there the administrative delays involved with IMGs are the driving reason for pre-matches still being offered....

hope i get a place in a good place....''thanks for all ur help duckie and sami :-)

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#8
LL

no program participating in match can make a pre-match offer to current us grad, it would be clear violation of match rules.

prematch offers can be made to independent candidates only - IMGs, us grads who took a few years off, changing specialty etc
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#9
duckie

i see!
just for my own info..... could you tell me what the difference is in a independent candidate and a current US grad in terms of the rules of offering a pre match?
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#10
LL

That's the rule:

Independent candidates can be offered residency positions outside the match while the US graduates of the match year have to go through the match without exceptions.
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