UK people are sooo annoying :( - drshankarpatel

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shankarpatel....i think u have no clue as to what your talking about ....

Try and use your brain ....if the uk was so rosy and beautiful why on earth will so many people wish to retrain spending 3 more years...there must be a reasonnn...please spend some time reading on the net as to why one would leave the uk ......

2 you are blaming some one else that he has an extra degree than you...if all you wish is to become a specialist or get an additional degree in life.....sit down in india which I must say is where I am from too and write the DNB in family medicine and you will be a specialist too....(mrcp is not a specialist exam just an exam which lets you apply for speciality jobs).Once you do your dnb your a specialist and you wouldnt need to come to the states.

if you love to hate the people from uk with mrcp ....u can write it too at chennai.......and get to be the ace at the interviews........

LAst and final there is absolutely no rule or reason that one shouldnt go to the states for

1. better traiining and higher speciality training
2, go for a life style change
3. go for financial reasons
4. go to escape other unfair systems

you can moan and groan till yourhearts content....face it dude lifes a bitch and lifes hard.....learn to face problems like a man ....even for people from uk the road aint been easy .....we have worked and studied ,paid,travelled in very tight schedules,if you have any clue as to the pass rate of the mrcp for foreign graduates you would speak with a lil more respect ..its shameful and pitiful that a doctor like you stoops to this level

You are an eyesore to india and the medical community with your senseless and racist remarks!!

Grow up

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and just before you go all over again

I am indian and from india........studied ,travelled and stuff just like you...and i definetly think you ought to not make racist remarks intentional or unintentional.....wherever your from .......thats the first thing you need to learn as a doctor!!!!

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"rshankarpatel - 12/03/08 23:17

resilientdoc,

if u have done MRCS and surgery from UK, why dont you go back to India and serve the poor there???"


thats the stupidest remark ive ever heard......use the last few neurons that you have left ........where on earth does it say that one has to go back after an mrcp and train the poor as his primary goal in life???????? why dont you preach what you teach...you dont need a post grad to treat the poor...why dont you lead by example and go to the rural parts of india and serve the pooor.........and iam sure in 3 years time that the experieence will make you a better human being .......

your remarks are crazyy...just because one is a doctor dosnt mean that he goes and serves the poor and do nothing else.......as a doctor you serve people of all classes all the time wherever you are.........doctors too are humans like the rest ...some aspire to go to other places ....yes for better life styles ,money,different experiences,better training and who ever said they werent valid reasons and who ever said that was ethically wrong......if you think that one has to spend his life "only " treating the poor ...then you should stop wasting your time on this forumm run downstairs ....put on your labcoat and start working your night helping someone!!!!

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Dear drshankarpatel,
I have the MRCP you seem to hate so much. Since you ask if we "have some soul and dignity to practice like a healer", here is my humble attempt:
You are frustrated by the difficulty in obtaining a residency, but you have certain advantages that people like me do not have. You are young and many Program Directors would rather have you rather than an old graduate with an MRCP. Furthermore, when you get your residency (as you will if you are sufficiently determined) you will be able to work in a system that has a systematic approach to training, something that is only gradually catching on in UK. So move beyond hatred and try to work on your positives. Let others do what they want to do; concentrate on improving your own prospects. Having an MRCP does not make anyone superior to another doctor, at least in my opinion.

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hey audrey think u used to be on the uk forum on orkut. left some messages on yr scrapbook. would be grateful to ask some things about the step 1 prep if thats ok. my email
is siddesh50 may recall!
thanks
sid

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I am smelling the useless rants I used to hear in the UK 4-5 years ago when MBBS guys moaned about Indian/ Asian post graduates coming and applying for training jobs.

They are just timewasters, trying to find scapegoats.

Program directors and residency selection committe have enough experience and sense to choose a right candidate which suits their criteria. Truth is that presently they have lot of choice and supply.

Inexperienced forgeiners from alien medical systems can not have zero understanding and impact on training commitee decisions.

Just ignore these idiots like drshankarpatel.

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lol siddesh your still up late as usual!!! aahhah gimme a call in the weekend and lemme know how ur prep is going on !!!

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I can imagine how hard it must be for those trained in the UK. You guys must have gone through hurdles similar to residency in US and now you need to go through it again. Years of training to be repeated and that too only for the fortunate ones who match.

It must be intolerable for those MRCP/MRCS grads who do not match, although I think most of you will match because PD would prefer someone who has had experience in a similar healthcare system.

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I have read all of your posts and let me tell you.. you dont understand my point at all.

First of all.. Yellowfever.. thanks for the nice post. You are right in mentioning that these people who have sometimes done 5-10 years of post-graduate training and completed RMO training in UK must be treated separately from young IMGs who came to US within 1-2 years after completing MBBS and are applying for Internship.

I saw this guy who was 45 years old doing an internship in Family Practice with a degree of FRCOG and being a full-time Gynecologist in the UK.. I mean tell me is this appropriate?? And imagine that because of this 45 years of consultant Gynecologist doing an INTERNSHIP in US, a fresh young graduate like me is sitting out of the match?? Can someone feel the pain I am going through or countless other people like me who have not done residencies in our home countries or the UK??

I have seen MRCPS arrogantly waling around like they are kings of the place and dont give a damn at residency in US because they are entitled to be residents becoz they are so damn good and cleared the MRCP. What the crap?? What do you think you are?? Kiya samazte ho apne aap ko tum log?? saalo tum log buht arrogant ho gaye ho..

I am not posting this because I want anyone to change his or her mind.. no ofcourse not becoz u ppl have spent thousands of dollars already into this process.. But I want u to just be sympathetic towards ppl who actually wanted to come to the US and US only in the first place and truly respected this country's medical education system in the first place.. U ppl never liked the US and thats why u chose UK.. Now u r proclaiming to be the best doctors just because u got this diploma from UK?? BS BS BS

Plz stop ur arrogance ok. You ppl are trained specialists and you can go to any country and practice like respected doctors.. you really dont need to work 100 hrs a week and do night calls and be abused by ur senior residents who are 10 years younger than u..

Anyways.. I brought this point because I genuinely believe that ACGME need to change its laws like some of the others feel like eg yellowfever is right. You people with MRCP and MRCS and FRCOG just need to do 1-2 extra years of traiing and then do fellowships. Write to ACGME OK and tell them why they want u to go thr the misery of internship and all the residency hassle..

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to shankar patel

1."saw this guy who was 45 years old doing an internship in Family Practice with a degree of FRCOG and being a full-time Gynecologist in the UK.. I mean tell me is this appropriate?? And imagine that because of this 45 years of consultant Gynecologist doing an INTERNSHIP in US, a fresh young graduate like me is sitting out of the match?? Can someone feel the pain I am going through or countless other people like me who have not done residencies in our home countries or the UK??"

IF this guy must be doing it at the age of 45 it woould be wrong of you to jump to conculsions as too why he is doing so.There are many reasons why someone leaves uk at all ages.....the only way you will know is to speak to someone from the uk to understand the real ground situation....frcog does not mean he works as a consulted he may be still working at the level of a senuoior resident ...surprised???? welcome to the uk....people have retired at the level of registrar which is nothing but a year 4 resident equivalent!!! reasons you should try and guess!!!


2."But I want u to just be sympathetic towards ppl who actually wanted to come to the US and US only in the first place and truly respected this country's medical education system in the first place.. U ppl never liked the US and thats why u chose UK.. Now u r proclaiming to be the best doctors just because u got this diploma from UK?? BS BS BS"

yes you have our symptathies but not respect cause you make ridiculous remarks....who ever said those who went to uk went there because they did not want to get to the states....may be you have someone to pay your exam fees and interview expenses...not all will be that blessed...uk for many has been like a refueling station provided employement and stability before they could reach the states which many wished to get to in the first place for reasons i have mentioned in my previous posts.......and what on earth makes you think many didnt like the states then why on earth will we guys wish to redo our residencies.........and who on earth has been proclaiming that we are the best docs...if we were we wouldnt be retraining...and four your info.....ABIM already has an option for docs from abroad if done with their residency to get the internship year off but that gives them less time to get prepared with research and things to apply for fellowships which as you are aware is in the first few months of the second year and many hospitals prefer to have experienced doctors as interns which helps to improve the learning environment and educationally stimulates the residency program!