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A cold, calculated approach to ranking..... - babyaspirin81mg
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WHY DUKE UNIVERSITY INTERNAL MEDICINE/ PSYCH IS MY NUMBER ONE:

This is an incredible choice for an IMG who needs a visa

1. Big name institution
2. H1b visa offered
3. no fellowship needed (disadvantage of H1 visa cancels out)
4. pay after five years of residency is 300 000 USD, will go up to 400, 000 USD when I graduate
5. growing need for IM/ PSYCH faculty
6. Board Certification both in Internal Medicine and Psychiatry
7. fourth and fifth years of residency are very very light
8. H1b offers opportunities for moonlighting, in Chicago, you earn $ 100/ hour for moonlighting, in one night- $ 1200 and in one week, $ 8400, that™s cool money.
9. Low cost of living in Durham
10. easy transition to IM/ PSYCH faculty- assistant Professor at Duke, few years later can easily transition to even bigger name Institutions
11. Research opportunities as resident and faculty- $ 300 million grants a year, research triangle is situated in Raleigh- Durham- Chapel Hill.
12. The best part of IM/ PSYCH over IM is- all three years of IM residency is very hectic, intense and competitive. By second year, you decide on sub-specialty and need to do research in your sub-specialty, need to get good LORs, go through ERAS, use contacts, and attend fellowship interviews and so on. Such a pain. And with competitive specialties like CARDIOLOGY AND GI, very difficult to match at good programs, especially on a H1b visa. Cardio and GI pay minimum of 400 000 a year going upto 600 000 a year. If you can™t get into these, in ID, rheumatology or Endocrinology, it is difficult to go to more than 250 or 300 000. Remember these are national average (some Pediatricians in New York earn 1.2 million a year). We are talking about minimums. And especially with Cardiology, three years of Internal Medicine, three years of Cardiology fellowship and then two years of Electrophysiology or Interventional Cardiology fellowship will take a total of eight years. Remember that at a lot of programs, you need to be a chief resident at your program to get into Cardiology fellowships. And this is if all goes well and your rotation performance and LORs are stellar enough. So pretty much the next ten years until you get a job will be hell. And remember, when you get a job as an Interventional Cardio, you work about 80 hours a week to earn the 600 000. so what™s the point. 80 hours a week and little vacation hardly gives you time to enjoy life and the money you earn. Except for giving pharmaceutical company sponsored talks about drugs and international conferences, you have no LIFE. IM/ PSYCH- five years of residency, no fellowship, good lifestyle and cool 300- 400 000 a year. What more do you want.
13. IM/ PSYCH far less competitive than IM, and easier to get into than IM into big programs.
14. Can do fellowship in IM or PSYCH after IM/ PSYCH, if at all necessary.
15. Personally for me, it is like the best choice I ever made. I was battling to choose between Internal Medicine and Psychiatry. I am very good at Internal Medicine and fascinated by psychiatric research. To combine both in one residency is perfect.
16. The bigger question of INTEREST VERSUS MONEY. IM PLUS CARDIOLOGY= 500 K MINIMUM. PSYCH PLUS FELLOWSHIP= 200 K MINIMUM. So, it was difficult for me to choose between a lucrative cardiology lie versus an interesting psychiatry research life without a lot of money.
17. Another issue for me is the positive force of all my family, relatives and friends who are ADAMANT that even if MAYO PSYCH OFFERS A PRE-MATCH, IS HOULDNT TAKE IT. And they go on to say, if BRIDGEPORT HOSP offers PRE-MATCH, take it in Internal Medicine. Some of them suggested that I should take the pre-match at Guthrie- Robert Pacer since they sponsor H1b visas!!!!!!. So doing IM/ PSYCH satisfies both them and me, with H1b visa, at a big program is an unbelievable option.
18. IM/ PSYCH PAY at 300 K is way above the national average and higher than the salary of the US PRESIDENT.
19. lifestyle during IM/ PSYCH residency is way better than IM and much worse than PSYCH.


I am just thinking out loud about my career options. A sort of internal argument.


The choice for me was between 80 hour week interventional cardiology (600 K) versus academic psychiatric research (100 K).

Now IM/ PSYCH at about 50 hours a week for 300- 400 K (varies by year and state) is the perfect fit.

Now the question is solved as to what is number one on my list. It is very difficult for IMGs to match at their number one choice.

The most important question is how DUKE UNIVERSITY is going to rank me at IM / PSYCH. They are interviewing seventy applicants for six slots. So it is improbable that I am going to match there. Plus my interview experience was only above average.

My interviews before I get back home in the first week of December, are at Moses Cone, Jewish Hospital of Cincinnati, Creighton and Mayo Clinic. Which I am sure, I will rank below Duke IM/ PSYCH. So my number one slot on the rank order list is filled up. The competition is for the next few slots.

Michigan State University (East Lansing)- Nov 29


I have thirteen interviews in January, and I am not sure if I will come back in January. So may be I will cancel all of them. The good ones are

Emory University- Psych
Tufts University- Psych
St. Louis University- IM
UTMB, Galveston- IM
All surgery interviews- Mayo/ Albert Einstein and Maimonides
Community IM- st. Joseph, st. Francis, Michael Reese, resurrection West Lake, interfaith, UIC Urbana

Anybody on hold at any of the above programs let me know. I can cancel some of them for you.

If any of the program director™s read my post on pay scales and lifestyle being important considerations in career choice, they may not even rank me. But the bitter truth is that these factors are important to me in choosing a residency and career.

How will I get the chance to scuba dive in the Great Barrier Reef in Australia, go on wine trails of the Napa valley in California, take a safari trip in the Masai Mara national park in Kenya or go on an œanaconda style boat trip on the Amazon in South America

A million things to do require a million dollars and plenty of vacation!!!!!!!

Comments or criticism of my number one choice on my rank order list.

March 16, 2006 1 pm ET- the moment of a lifetime!!!!!!

Good luck guys

Baby Aspirin


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#2
Pretty good analysis...
to have what u want...u'll need millions..
surprisingly...u missed the whole point of serving...
that would make u billions
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#3
some more cold calculated facts
Average pay for brad pitt is 7 million to 10 million a year..He makes one movie a year and spends rest of the time off vacationing without working.
Average pay of play boy nude modelling is 2 to 3 million per shoot..if u r liivng in the old guy's mansion.Rest of the time these girls are having fun where ever they are and dont even bother to think how much they r spending.
Average pay of a basket ball player 10 to 15 million dollar per season..and rest of the time they just fool around.
Average pay that Tiger woods takes for one top golf match is 10 + million.
If U r talking about money,then yes there r these people less educated,less respected,less trusted than our profession.
man!If a guy is into money,may be this is the wrong profession ,an exotic dancer makes more money with less hardwork than an IV league graduate.But if U r all about 'show me the money',God bless u bcz I think working so hard for this money and leasure in this profession is not the right motivation.My point of view,no grudges against you .I hope what u want,u r satisfied with that and not keep lusting for MORE.bcz it does happen when u have those motivation.
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#4
good point kiwi,tks for sharing...
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#5
hay kiwi what do u mean by fool out ..........I am a basketball player don't talk bad on them
I don care about the Duke guy but u don't put the basketball player in this comunication

u know wa m sayin
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#6
I feel sorry for you, aspirin. I can tell by reading your theory and calculations that you have no clue about what work in American medicine is like. I know many foreigners who came with similar motivation to different residencies and felt miserable because their high dreams crumbled under the weight of the system. For one, you need to go though the program and overcome all biases agains FMGs in the institution. Then, you have to prove to everybody that you are not working for money only. And at last, you have no idea about the litigation system and stress associated with any interventional techniques. By the time you will get to your vacation time on Bahamas, you will need psychiatric help yourself.
You are such a spring chicken with your calculations.
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#7

Pessimism kills...

All my life I have seen disgruntled lot and bad advise from folks like you

Just one more from you

Baby Aspirin
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#8
U r getting it wrong babyaspirin.I never said you should withdraw from this opportunity.It is just the thought that you want to go in this high profile program bcz u are tempted by the pay,that should not be the only motivation for you.I mean who doesnot want to be a part of john hopkins or harvard?But this is a fact that you will make more money than rest of us if u got your name attached to these places..My point,why mention money in 2/3rd of your post as a motivation and the rest good program,good PD blah blah,just a small fraction.I totally agree we all have some motivation bcz we want to make money leaving our homes ,our families...and everyone here is for money ...but the point not solely.or atleast noone talks about that so openly.Yes it makes me impulsive to say U SHOULD BE MOTIVATED ABOUT THE PROFESSION AND STUFF....and I know we all are here for that reason bcz if serving humanity is the issue,then I guess humanity back home needs more of us than these developed economically stable countries....practically how many of us will send money back home to poor?may be no one...but talking about this so openly that u want all this bcz you want big money is a little bit uncomfortable to comprehend..Nobody is jealous,nobody is passimist....but this is a noble profession.if u dropped a few lines about your passion to be a doctor and do well as a doctor,may be it was a little bit easier to digest for themasses like me.Well I still belive at the end of the day,its your life and your motivation and point of view...but you sounded more like a lotto machine to me than a doctor, or may be they r right when they say this profession is a business and your success is how good a sales man u r!!!
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#9


I havent met one single person in my life who entered medical college/ school to "serve" people

Everybody does it because it is a well paid, safe Profession. Period.

Medicine is a business. The sooner "oldtimers" like you realise it, it is better.

You contradict yourself twice...
1. You say we do nothing for our country= means we came here for ourselves= money. Why cant you accept it openly....Hypocrisy?

2. Salesman...what do you think you are doing on ERAS and interviews...selling yourself to get a residency...

I can understand what kind of person you are....probably female, may have done residency, had very good OLD teachers in medical school and strive to follow ethics not only in Medicine but also in life....plus you must be GOD FEARING...


How much of this is right?


An attempt at internet based psychoanalysis



Baby Aspirin
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#10
the female partSmile
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